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Associated Capital Group (Associated Capital Group) Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) : -2.66 (As of Mar. 2024)


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What is Associated Capital Group Owner Earnings per Share (TTM)?

In 1986 Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter, Warren Buffett defined owner earnings as follows:

"These represent (a) reported earnings plus (b) depreciation, depletion, amortization, and certain other non-cash charges...less (c) the average annual amount of capitalized expenditures for plant and equipment, etc. that the business requires to fully maintain its long-term competitive position and its unit volume (If the business requires additional working capital to maintain its competitive position and unit volume, the increment also should be included in (c))...Our owner-earnings equation does not yield the deceptively precise figures provided by GAAP, since (c) must be a guess - and one sometimes very difficult to make. Despite this problem, we consider the owner earnings figure, not the GAAP figure, to be the relevant item for valuation purposes - both for investors in buying stocks and for managers in buying entire businesses...All of this points up the absurdity of the 'cash flow' numbers that are often set forth in Wall Street reports. These numbers routinely include (a) plus (b) - but do not subtract (c)."

Associated Capital Group's Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $-2.66. It's Price-to-Owner-Earnings ratio for today is 0.


The historical rank and industry rank for Associated Capital Group's Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) or its related term are showing as below:


During the past 12 years, the highest Price-to-Owner-Earnings ratio of Associated Capital Group was 100.23. The lowest was 1.38. And the median was 11.44.


AC's Price-to-Owner-Earnings is not ranked *
in the Asset Management industry.
Industry Median: 11.82
* Ranked among companies with meaningful Price-to-Owner-Earnings only.

Associated Capital Group's Earnings per Share (Diluted) for the three months ended in Mar. 2024 was $0.64. Its Earnings per Share (Diluted) for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $1.55. It's PE Ratio ratio for today is 21.78.

Associated Capital Group's EPS without NRI for the three months ended in Mar. 2024 was $0.03. Its EPS without NRI for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $0.18. It's PE Ratio without NRI ratio for today is 189.49.


Associated Capital Group Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) Historical Data

The historical data trend for Associated Capital Group's Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) can be seen below:

* For Operating Data section: All numbers are indicated by the unit behind each term and all currency related amount are in USD.
* For other sections: All numbers are in millions except for per share data, ratio, and percentage. All currency related amount are indicated in the company's associated stock exchange currency.

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Associated Capital Group Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) Chart

Associated Capital Group Annual Data
Trend Dec14 Dec15 Dec16 Dec17 Dec18 Dec19 Dec20 Dec21 Dec22 Dec23
Owner Earnings per Share (TTM)
Get a 7-Day Free Trial Premium Member Only Premium Member Only 2.39 -14.60 12.94 -8.13 5.85

Associated Capital Group Quarterly Data
Jun19 Sep19 Dec19 Mar20 Jun20 Sep20 Dec20 Mar21 Jun21 Sep21 Dec21 Mar22 Jun22 Sep22 Dec22 Mar23 Jun23 Sep23 Dec23 Mar24
Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) Get a 7-Day Free Trial Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only Premium Member Only 0.40 2.03 6.12 5.85 -2.66

Competitive Comparison of Associated Capital Group's Owner Earnings per Share (TTM)

For the Asset Management subindustry, Associated Capital Group's Price-to-Owner-Earnings, along with its competitors' market caps and Price-to-Owner-Earnings data, can be viewed below:

* Competitive companies are chosen from companies within the same industry, with headquarter located in same country, with closest market capitalization; x-axis shows the market cap, and y-axis shows the term value; the bigger the dot, the larger the market cap. Note that "N/A" values will not show up in the chart.


Associated Capital Group's Price-to-Owner-Earnings Distribution in the Asset Management Industry

For the Asset Management industry and Financial Services sector, Associated Capital Group's Price-to-Owner-Earnings distribution charts can be found below:

* The bar in red indicates where Associated Capital Group's Price-to-Owner-Earnings falls into.



Associated Capital Group Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) Calculation

In 1986 Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter, Warren Buffett defined owner earnings as follows:

"These represent (a) reported earnings plus (b) depreciation, depletion, amortization, and certain other non-cash charges...less (c) the average annual amount of capitalized expenditures for plant and equipment, etc. that the business requires to fully maintain its long-term competitive position and its unit volume. (If the business requires additional working capital to maintain its competitive position and unit volume, the increment also should be included in (c))...Our owner-earnings equation does not yield the deceptively precise figures provided by GAAP, since (c) must be a guess - and one sometimes very difficult to make. Despite this problem, we consider the owner earnings figure, not the GAAP figure, to be the relevant item for valuation purposes - both for investors in buying stocks and for managers in buying entire businesses...All of this points up the absurdity of the 'cash flow' numbers that are often set forth in Wall Street reports. These numbers routinely include (a) plus (b) - but do not subtract (c)."

To make it simple, then you will have:

Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) = (Net Income + Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization + Change In Deferred Tax - 5Y Average of Maintenance Capital Expenditure + Change In Working Capital) / Shares Outstanding (Diluted Average)

Associated Capital Group's Owner Earnings per Share (TTM) Calculation:

TTM / Last Quarter Average of Last 20 Quarters
Net Income 33.52
Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization 0.36
Change In Deferred Tax 1.41
5Y Average of Maintenance Capital Expenditure 44.34
Change In Working Capital -48.07
Shares Outstanding (Diluted Average) 21.50

1. Start with "Net Income" from income statement. Associated Capital Group's Net Income for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $33.52 Mil.

2. "Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization" is from cashflow statement. Associated Capital Group's Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $0.36 Mil. This needs to be added back because company does not actually need to pay cash for it. It is a non-cash item.

3. Other non-cash charges usually include "Stock Based Compensation" and "Change In Deferred Tax":
However, to be conservative, GuruFocus will not add Stock Based Compensation back to net income. Associated Capital Group's Change In Deferred Tax for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $1.41 Mil.

4. Average maintenance capital expenditure over a business/industry cycle: 5-Year Average Maintenance Capital Expenditure = $44.34 Mil

It is usually best to take a long-term average of maintenance capital expenditure. Ideally this would be as long as 10 years and include at least one economic downturn. However, since many companies do not have as long as 10-year history, here GuruFocus uses the latest 5 years data to do the calculation. To smooth out unusual years but reflect recent developments, we take an average of the 5 year maintenance capital expenditure.

The following shows how to get maintenance capital expenditure.

First, calculate the revenue change regarding to the previous quarter. If the revenue decreased from the previous quarter, then the Maintenance Capital Expenditure = Capital Expenditure (positive).
Second, if the revenue increased from the previous quarter, then calculate the percentage of Net PPE as of corresponding Revenue.
Growth Capital Expenditure = Percentage of Property, Plant and Equipment as of corresponding Revenue * Revenue Increase
Third, calculate Capital Expenditure (positive) - Growth Capital Expenditure.
If [Capital Expenditure (positive) - Growth Capital Expenditure] was negative, then the Maintenance Capital Expenditure = Capital Expenditure (positive).
If [Capital Expenditure (positive) - Growth Capital Expenditure] was positive, then the Maintenance Capital Expenditure = Capital Expenditure (positive) - Growth Capital Expenditure.
Fourth, get the average of the 5 years maintenance capital expenditure.

Associated Capital Group's 5-Year Average Maintenance Capital Expenditure = $44.34 Mil

5. "Change In Working Capital" is from cashflow statement. Associated Capital Group's Change In Working Capital for the trailing twelve months (TTM) ended in Mar. 2024 was $-48.07 Mil.
Note: GuruFocus' Change in Working Capital is provided by Morningstar. It is calculated by adding the items under "Change in operating assets and liabilities" (may refer to a different name for different company) section in Cash Flow Statement from original financial report. And sometimes it includes non-current parts of assets and liabilities.

6. Associated Capital Group's Shares Outstanding (Diluted Average) for the months ended in Mar. 2024 was 21.500 Mil.

Associated Capital Group's Onwer Earnings Per Share for Mar. 2024 is calculated as:

Owner Earnings per Share (TTM)
=( Net Income+Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization+Change In Deferred Tax
=( 33.518 +0.36+1.409
-5Y Avg of Maintenance CAPEX+Change In Working Capital )/Shares Outstanding (Diluted Average)
-44.336+-48.069)/21.500
=-2.66

Price-to-Owner-Earnings=Current Price/Owner Earnings per Share (TTM)
=33.73/-2.66
=0

* For Operating Data section: All numbers are indicated by the unit behind each term and all currency related amount are in USD.
* For other sections: All numbers are in millions except for per share data, ratio, and percentage. All currency related amount are indicated in the company's associated stock exchange currency.


Be Aware

Assumption: Companies usually do not report maintenance capital expenditures and growth capital expenditures separately. Here we use estimated numbers and average them over 5 years. The method to estimate maintenance capital expenditures can be found in above part 4.

Note: GuruFocus' Change In Working Capital is provided by Morningstar. It is calculated by adding the items under "Change in operating assets and liabilities" (may refer to a different name for different company) section in Cash Flow Statement from original financial report. And it includes non-current parts of assets and liabilities.


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Associated Capital Group (Associated Capital Group) Business Description

Traded in Other Exchanges
N/A
Address
191 Mason Street, Greenwich, CT, USA, 06830
Associated Capital Group Inc is a diversified global financial services company. It operates in the business of alternative investment management, institutional research services, and cash and other assets through subsidiaries. The activities of its subsidiaries comprise publishing daily research notes and full reports using private market value with a catalyst methodology and also products and customized solutions utilizing private market value with catalyst method of investing.
Executives
Ian J Mcadams officer: Interim Co-CFO 191 MASON STREET, GREENWICH CT 06830
Patrick Huvane officer: Interim Co-CFO 780 THIRD AVENUE, 21ST FLOOR, NEW YORK NY 10017
Richard T Prins director C/O ASSOCIATED CAPITAL GROUP, INC., 191 MASON STREET, GREENWICH CT 06830
Peter D. Goldstein officer: Chief Legal Officer 249 ROYAL PALM WAY, SUITE 503, PALM BEACH FL 33480
Timothy Schott officer: Executive VP & CFO 191 MASON STREET, GREENWICH CT 06830
Mario J Gabelli director, 10 percent owner, officer: Chairman & CEO 191 MASON STREET, GREENWICH CT 06830
Marc Gabelli director 401 THEODORE FREMD AVE, RYE NY 10580
Kenneth D Masiello officer: Chief Accounting Officer ONE CORPORATE CENTER, RYE NY 10580
Elisa M. Wilson director C/O GAMCO INVESTORS, INC., ONE CORPORATE CENTER, RYE NY 10580
Francis J Conroy officer: Interim Chief FinancialOfficer ONE CORPORATE CENTER, RYE NY 10580
Frederic V Salerno director TWO PENNSYLVANIA PLAZA, NEW YORK NY 10121
Frederick J Mancheski 10 percent owner 5400 PLANTATION ROAD, UNIT 1256, CAPTIVA FL 33924
Douglas R Jamieson officer: President & CEO C/O GAMCO INVESTORS, INC., ONE CORPORATE CENTER, RYE NY 10580
Agnes Mullady officer: Executive Vice President ONE CORPORATE CENTER, RYE NY 10580
Bruce M Lisman director C/O MERCHANTS BANK, 275 KENNEDY DR, S. BURLINGTON VT 05403