Release Date: March 13, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Positive Points
- Companhia Siderurgica Nacional (SID, Financial) reported its strongest quarter of the year with significant EBITDA growth and cost control across all segments.
- The company achieved a historical high cash position, nearly reaching BRL25 billion, aiding in debt management.
- In the mining segment, SID reached production guidance and operational records despite adverse weather conditions, with a 35% price increase leading to an EBITDA margin above 50%.
- The steel segment saw a 10% increase in sales compared to the same period last year, with EBITDA margin reaching double digits for the first time in the year.
- The cement segment achieved a record EBITDA margin of 33%, the highest since acquiring LafargeHolcim, demonstrating strong operational efficiency and favorable pricing.
Negative Points
- The company's leverage increased due to exchange rate variations impacting dollar-denominated debt, offsetting operational improvements.
- Despite strong operational results, the fourth quarter saw a negative cash flow due to exchange rate effects and high investment volumes.
- The energy segment experienced a lower EBITDA due to system migrations post-acquisition, which is expected to stabilize in future periods.
- No dividends will be distributed in the first quarter of 2025 as part of the company's focus on deleveraging.
- The logistics segment faced a drop in invoicing and EBITDA due to seasonal business factors, although the annual performance was strong.
Q & A Highlights
Q: Can you provide an overview of the expansion projects in mining and cement, and update us on the parity premium for steel in Brazil?
A: The focus for 2025 is on priority projects, with over 60% of CapEx dedicated to growth. The P15 project in mining is a significant priority, expected to be operational by the end of 2027. In steel, a reorganization plan is underway, focusing on enhancing performance and reducing costs. For cement, three greenfield projects are in medium to high priority stages, with the Parana project being a key focus. Regarding the parity premium, the current premium is 15% to 20%, and price increases have been implemented in civil construction and distribution.
Q: How does the current trade war impact CSN's strategic plan, and are there any plans for M&A in the steel segment?
A: The strategic focus remains on mining, steel, and efficiency projects. The company is not planning any significant M&A in the steel segment for 2025. The priority is on deleveraging and maintaining flexibility in investments. The company has a roadmap for the next five years, with a focus on P15 and steel plant reorganization.
Q: Can you detail the company's deleveraging plans and the expected impact on EBITDA and CapEx?
A: The main focus is on operational results to drive deleveraging. The company expects an increase in EBITDA for 2025 compared to 2024. Flexibility in CapEx allows for adjustments based on market conditions. The company aims to achieve a leverage ratio of less than 3 times by the end of the year.
Q: What is the outlook for the steel market in Brazil, particularly for flat and long steel?
A: The flat steel market is expected to remain strong, with growth in automotive and white goods sectors. Long steel faces challenges due to increased competition and capacity. CSN is focusing on other markets to avoid intense competition in long steel. The company expects to maintain 2024 levels in 2025.
Q: What are the plans for the cement business, including potential IPO and acquisitions?
A: CSN is not pursuing the acquisition of Intercement and is focusing on organic growth. The company is prepared for a cement IPO, pending favorable market conditions. The current cement assets have the capacity to deliver more volume without new production sites, and the company is exploring partnerships for specific investments.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
