Release Date: February 27, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Positive Points
- Ocado Group PLC (OCDDY, Financial) reported a 14% increase in group revenue, reaching GBP3.2 billion.
- Adjusted EBITDA tripled to GBP153 million, marking a significant improvement in profitability.
- The company achieved a GBP249 million improvement in underlying cash flow, surpassing initial guidance.
- Ocado Group PLC (OCDDY) maintains strong liquidity with over GBP1 billion, including cash and access to a revolving credit facility.
- The company is making strides in technology solutions, with recurring revenues now representing 84% of total revenues for this segment.
Negative Points
- Growth across global CFCs is behind expectations, necessitating a focus on accelerating growth and efficiency.
- Interest costs are expected to rise due to the introduction of a high-yield bond.
- The company faces challenges with some CFC sites requiring a different strategic approach to realize full value.
- There is a delay in the go-live dates for some CFC sites, such as those in Phoenix and Charlotte, now expected in early fiscal '26.
- Ocado Group PLC (OCDDY) is experiencing a slower build of modules and CFCs, impacting the anticipated inflection point in growth.
Q & A Highlights
Q: What is causing the delay in winning new contracts for Ocado Intelligent Automation (OIA), and how are tariffs affecting your operations in the US?
A: Timothy Steiner, CEO, explained that while there is a strong pipeline for OIA, some projects have been delayed due to rising interest rates and economic conditions, with clients postponing projects by 12 to 24 months. Regarding tariffs, Steiner noted the complexity and variability of tariffs but mentioned that most equipment needed for US operations is already in the country, minimizing immediate concerns.
Q: With the addition of the auto freezer in US warehouses, does this increase the lifetime value of those warehouses?
A: Timothy Steiner, CEO, confirmed that the auto freezer enhances the efficiency and scalability of warehouses, potentially increasing their lifetime value. The new freezer technology allows for easier scaling of sites, which can lead to a 30-40% increase in capacity, thus improving the overall value proposition.
Q: Could there be further downside risks to the pipeline between now and 2027, particularly with sites investing in new products?
A: Timothy Steiner, CEO, stated that most sites going live by 2027 already have new products built into their designs, minimizing downside risks. He emphasized that while there is no expected downside, there is potential upside if new sites are signed during the year.
Q: How are you addressing the refinancing of debt, and what are your thoughts on equity raises?
A: Stephen Daintith, CFO, indicated that Ocado is proactive in managing debt maturities and is considering refinancing options well in advance. He did not provide specifics on equity raises but emphasized maintaining strong liquidity and managing cash flow effectively.
Q: How do you plan to manage the transition of CFCs between different performance categories, and what is the future of the logistics business?
A: Timothy Steiner, CEO, mentioned that the partner success team is expanding to support CFCs in transitioning to higher performance categories. Regarding the logistics business, Steiner noted that while it generates stable cash flow, there may be future considerations for consolidation with retail operations, but no immediate changes are planned.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
